Cnlp 546: Mark Sayers on Future Cultural Disruption, the Church In Ten Years, the Overton Window and How to Cultivate a Non-anxious Presence In the Midst of It All


Mark Sayers returns to the podcast to talk about future cultural disruptions, the decline of civilization, the rapid acceleration of the Overton Window, and how to sleep at night and cultivate a non-anxious presence in the midst of it all.

Welcome to Episode 546 of the podcast. Listen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.

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A Non-Anxious Presence: How a Changing and Complex World Will Create a Remnant of Renewed Christian Leaders By Mark Sayers

Reappearing Church: The Hope for Renewal in the Rise of Our Post-Christian Culture By Mark Sayers

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Quotes from Episode 546

When we’re challenged to grow in the Christian scheme, we’re dying to our flesh and our flesh resists. @SayersMarkCLICK TO TWEETChange is having this non anxious presence in the face of continual backlash and I don’t think we can do that without the presence of God. @SayersMarkCLICK TO TWEETLeadership is going to hurt and is going to possibly cost you everything. @SayersMarkCLICK TO TWEETThe world’s out of control. We need to be more engaged with the world now than ever before, that’s why God has put us here. @SayersMarkCLICK TO TWEET

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