Cnlp 463: Mark Batterson on How to Stay Motivated and Encouraged In Church Leadership, Habit Formation and Reframing the Future


New York Times bestselling author and National Community Church founding pastor, Mark Batterson, discusses what many leaders—especially church leaders—have struggled with over the last two years: Discouragement.

He shares his personal ups and downs, how he’s motivated himself and stayed encouraged, what he’s learning about habit formation personally and when it comes to church attendance, and how to reframe the future.

Welcome to Episode 463 of the podcast. Listen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.


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Recently I’ve been using an app from our friends at Gloo called Thryve to add texting into my marketing, and it’s been really useful. Now, I’m really excited to teach churches how they can use Thryve to do the same thing.

Thryve makes it incredibly easy to send texts to individuals or groups. But it’s so much more than that. Thryve is made to help churches send devotional series, answer common questions, get more prayer requests, send surveys and even collect stories of life change.

And because everything is managed from one shared message inbox, you and your team can access messages from your phone or desktop. That means you can assign prayer requests, respond to messages, track new visitor follow-up, and more. Your whole team can see and respond to every interaction from one place. That means human-to-human service for everyone.

When you use Thryve with other tools you already use, it’s even better. Integrations with leading church management systems are already available, and more are being added all the time. This is why Thryve is the leading church texting solution.

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